tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5380249125951802124.post2190829215663199211..comments2023-06-14T03:52:29.452-07:00Comments on Ari's Blog: Cynic Jesus - rantishArihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15844298036103120083noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5380249125951802124.post-12709208735951507232010-08-06T22:01:17.438-07:002010-08-06T22:01:17.438-07:00Jesus may very well have said things that parallel...Jesus may very well have said things that parallel cynic sayings - they were both to some extent itinerant, they both took issue with societal boundaries. But why should mild similarities that fail on substance indicate cynic influence? The biggest short coming with the cynic thesis isn't just a failure to provide substantial parallels, but that the model cannot make sense of the most historically probable Jesus traditions.<br /><br />But while a hybrid idea may be appealing, where did this influence come from? Where can we document it without chopping up Q sayings (Vaage) or simply assuming it?<br /><br />And hi Nic!Arihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844298036103120083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5380249125951802124.post-11599751804887360202010-08-06T19:08:01.651-07:002010-08-06T19:08:01.651-07:00Woo! I'm famous! (always love a good rant)Woo! I'm famous! (always love a good rant)Nicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5380249125951802124.post-55740602183544858302010-08-05T15:12:58.630-07:002010-08-05T15:12:58.630-07:00Interesting musings.Interesting musings.Arihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844298036103120083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5380249125951802124.post-87221074985021800872010-08-05T09:25:29.928-07:002010-08-05T09:25:29.928-07:00I don't think that. I'm just speculating a...I don't think that. I'm just speculating about the possibilities. <br /><br />Either Jesus never said the things that correspond to cynic beliefs, or he incorporated some cynical elements into his teachings, which I believe at heart were apocalyptic. <br /><br />For instance, today an otherwise liberal christian could othrewise be against abortion, or a conservative evangelical could be an environmentalist. <br /><br />Just musing.<br /><br />pfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5380249125951802124.post-15555670072841155952010-08-05T00:59:19.562-07:002010-08-05T00:59:19.562-07:00Hi Paulf, Michael Bird has an article on scholars ...Hi Paulf, Michael Bird has an article on scholars contemporising Jesus. Off memory it is called "The Perils of Mdernizing Jesus" and can be found online.<br /><br />What makes you believe that cynics shared an apocalyptic worldview?Arihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844298036103120083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5380249125951802124.post-11083722747579575852010-08-04T09:16:21.694-07:002010-08-04T09:16:21.694-07:00last comment was by paulflast comment was by paulfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5380249125951802124.post-79921009588360771022010-08-04T09:15:45.423-07:002010-08-04T09:15:45.423-07:00I agree wholeheartedly. The whole picture does not...I agree wholeheartedly. The whole picture does not support Jesus as Jewish cynic, but it fits apocalyptic prophet quite well.<br /><br />It's possible that the authors put cynic-like words into Jesus' mouth to endear him to people who may have been inclined to that view.<br /><br />It's also possible that Jesus borrowed from the cynics as a part of his apocalyptic philosophy. There must have been something that drew so many people to his movement that was more than just a standard Jewish prophet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com